Tuesday, August 03, 2004

I am not a person qualified in anything other than butchering accountancy. Please, if anyone wants to take me on about the "scientific" validity of what I am going to say "have at it". Remember that I put the word in quotes simply because I do not consider any of the psycho-sciences to qualify as such. I promise that I will not listen to any attempted refutation that states I do not know what I am talking about. I admit it, this is a purely personal, abstract, appraisal.

I want to talk about "isolationism", in particular the attitude that some people from the United States of America adopt whenever the kitchen starts getting a bit on the warm side for their liking.

Because this is a totally UN-scientific, opinionated and possibly biased analysis I am not going to apologise either in advance or after. If my approach upsets readers, that might indicate the need for a little quiet soul searching on their part, not mine.

There, health and safety warnings in place, check; furnace grade ceramic underwear in place, check... Next thing is the development of the scenarios and analysis…

To be fair, though, this really is about the practicality of a nation such as the US withdrawing from the general society of nations (not here implying the UN, but rather the global community). There are already at least two instances of nations having chosen or preferred such isolation; North Korea and Mianmar without doubt, East Germany and the Russian bloc, other possibilities would be the apardtheit South Africa, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and Iran with others as weaker possibilities. All of these instances are so unlike the US that using them as immediate "proof" of my position is unwarranted and unsupportable.

So to the first example…

At the extreme, the notion of "withdrawal" has been taken by some as far as including mutual defence arrangements, external trade, sharing of technological development, and (by implication) any immigration, emigration, or tourism.

Now I do not believe for a moment that this is the level of isolationism that most "proposers" have considered. It is interesting to see just how conceivable it might be as a proposition. In effect, this would be a self-imposed combination of North Korea, East Germany and Cuba.

The first and immediate impact of this level of isolationism would be on the internal politic. It would require voluntary, individual level, suspension of most aspects of the American Constitution. The more opposition there might be, or the lower the level of voluntary compliance, the greater would be the pressure for the isolation to collapse, or for the government to impose even more draconian measures to uphold its position.

The second level to impact would be economic. When I read the papers and news releases from the White House, I find that the justification for America’s fiscal and trading deficits is the "fact" that these are countered by external investment in the nation. Shutting off the external trading deficit, and the counter-balance external investment leaves the internal fiscal deficit hanging out there on its own. I know little of the internal machinations of the US so I am not going to preach what might or might not be sacrificed in trying to get that internal balance back. We can see the results of failure to address the economic implications of uncontrolled internal deficits in history. Germany of 1930 to 39 is one example, Argentina today, and on a small scale in New Zealand between 1965 and 1984. In all instances extreme demand driven inflation, and internal deficits in excess of 20% GDP are present. In NZ, it resulted in default on external loans – a case of international insolvency.

Aligned with the economic impact is the closing of trade with the rest of the world. Would the US survive without coffee? Does the US have the capability to be self-sufficient in food over a long period? Does the US have the capacity for long term energy requirements?
Taking all into consideration the chances that this level of isolation would even start, let alone survive, are close to nothing.

So, up the scale to the next level…

If I minimise the impact of the isolation – to the point where it might be seen to give greatest benefit to the US – I think the scenario might be along the lines of:


  • Withdrawal from the United Nations
  • Withdrawal from selected defence arrangements, including replacement of NATO with bilateral US - Britain and US – EU at a lower level.
  • Withdrawal from international trade and finance organisations such as WTO, OECD and World Bank.
  • Withdrawal from international law conventions.

My first reaction after seeing those words is "Plus ca change, les meme choses".


Would the withdrawal of the US from the United Nations spell the end of that international forum? I can not be sure if it is heart or head that says "No."


How would Europe greet the death of NATO, given that its soul intention was defence against neighbours who now are members of the political/economic equivalent – the EU? I suspect that France especially and, possibly, Germany would welcome the prospect. Britain would want a bilateral arrangement similar to ANZUS (With NZ gone, should that now be AUSUS, or AUS, or USA or USAUS? Sorry…). The smaller and "poorer" signatories would be concerned, and perhaps very unhappy at the thought of throwing their lot in with French or Germans.


When I think about the other two pieces I posted earlier, the first thing to come to mind is Sir T.O.M. Sopwith who (if memory serves me right) was the man who said of his participation in the America’s Cup in 1900-1925 that "Britain rules the waves, America waves the rules". It becomes even more appropriate when adding "I" to create "America waives the rules" increases the pune.


There is an increasing international disenchantment over the US’s ability to circumvent any rules that might stand in the way of "our interests". This has been especially so in the past three or so years, starting with the renunciation of the US’s support for the International Court of Justice.
Therefore, it seems on reflection that in terms of effect rather than fact that the US is already somewhat isolationist in its outlook. That is true, I think, as long as it is in the interests of the US to so do.


It is at this point too, that I tie back to a comment in an earlier post. In 1984, NZ was at the forefront of protest against French testing of nuclear weapons at Mururoa, Tahiti. This was not a government sponsored or supported protest. Greenpeace led it with great verve and vigour.


In 1984, as the French were about to begin I think the third series of atmospheric tests, the Greenpeace flagship Rainbow Warrior was berthed in Auckland preparing to lead a small flotilla of yachts to Mururoa. She was bombed and sunk with the loss of one life. A short while later, two members of the French Secret Service were detained, charged and found guilty of the crime. This was New Zealand’s first taste of a world in which advantage and success is gained through acts of stealth and terror. It might not measure in impact with 9/11. It sure did qualify under the same heading as "an attack against NZ". Remember at this point that this took place two years before the passing of the nuclear weapons ban legislation by the NZ government. This was a good two years before the US closed New Zealand’s membership of ANZUS.


Now, if the world were right then an attack on NZ such as this, irrespective of the perpetrator, should elicit some response from the other Treaty partners. Well one would imagine if the document required "an attack on one member will be considered an attack on all members". That certainly was the interpretation in 2001 following 9/11. Certainly, that clause won Australia’s involvement in Iraq 2.


What happened in 1984 when NZ was attacked by French terrorists? Nothing. As far as ANZUS partnerships were concerned, it was a non-event. Literally, it did not happen. There were no offers of weapons to repel boarders; there were no offers of help to investigate and apprehend (mind you we do that pretty well by ourselves as the Israelis have discovered); there was no offer of support to extract revenge (utu is a much better word) from the French.


So even today, if the US sees no interest or advantage to its involvement under a mutual defence treaty, I strongly suspect that it would be almightily difficult to get their attention. As a f’rinstance; if Israeli commandos were to attack government buildings in Paris or Bonn tomorrow, I suspect that there would be a lengthy silence from Washington once the "Oh dear how sad…" messages had gone out. No "I told you so" ‘s because diplomacy is not meant to be that petty. No "Can we help…" because ‘tit for tat’ is a valid diplomatic response.

4 comments:

Al said...

"There are already at least two instances of nations having chosen or preferred such isolation; North Korea and Mianmar without doubt, East Germany and the Russian bloc, other possibilities would be the apardtheit South Africa, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and Iran with others as weaker possibilities."

You are right, sir. These are examples of the bad consequences of actually closing the borders. Don't look at me, as a libertarian, to defend either the Neocon paradigm, as defined by their sworn enemy, Justin Raimondo of Anti-war.com, nor the "Buchananite" version of isolationism espoused by the paleocons. Nor do I support the vision of the right-wing John Burch Society nor that of Democratic Socialist Lyndon LaRouche; isolationists all.

However, libertarianism's early great high-priest Thomas Jefferson expressed our credo on foreign policy http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1400.htm:
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77
"I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of the labor, property and lives of their people." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823. ME: 15:436

"I sincerely join... in abjuring all political connection with every foreign power; and though I cordially wish well to the progress of liberty in all nations, and would forever give it the weight of our countenance, yet they are not to be touched without contamination from their other bad principles. Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Lomax, 1799. ME 10:124

Now, that is a tad (and I mean a tiny, little bit) more extreme than I think we should go - we should have a loose defensive alliance with other nations that allow true individual freedom - and it is also important for us to bring justice to those who harm our citizens, meaning that their activities must be neutralized and anyone who looks up to them for an example must be discouraged.

But I was taught that one should not take up an offense for another [http://www.romanceopedia.com/I-LingerieCatalog.html (Oops! Wrong link. I meant this one http://www.new-life.net/peace1.htm) Proverbs 17:9 - "He who covers an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends."]. That is to say, that one must take the greatest care about intervening in the arguments of one's friends. I say that applies on the macro level as well as the micro. (Of course, as a budding Austrian School economist, I say that about everything.)

The probligo said...

Al, the enthusiastic idealism of Jefferson is indeed a good place to start. Personally though, that is all that it can be - a start.

How many people have wished, are wishing at this moment, that the inexorable clock of history could be reversed in some way. How many wars turned on the misinterpretation of the nuances of a foreign language? How much death and destruction has been caused by the misplaced ambition of individuals? The point I make is that when we talk of any change in this world, I believe that we must look to the world of today, and the all problems and opportunities that it presents, for the solutions. It makes finding a solution far more difficult, but it also makes that solution (hopefully) more sure.

The other point that you raise in your response is one that I approach with extreme trepidation. I have gotten myself into many a scrap through the simple technique of standing between a man, his beliefs, and what I see as a truth. There is no doubt whatsoever that The Bible is an unfathomable resource for quotation, support, reason and justification. Speaking and debating with people who are devout Christians is always a challenge for this reason. The challenge comes from trying to disguise my very limited knowledge of the Christian religion, and in particular the Bible. Please, do not hold that against me.

I accept your selection of the wisdom of the Bible, and its interpretation and application to the point you are making.

Its rebuttal, however, lies in the fact that for good or bad the US is already involved in "other peoples offence". At any point, the involvement of the US in obligations such as NATO, the now bilateral defence treaty with Australia, or any of the other existing "arrangements" (defence, economic, trade and aid), has the potential to create obligations external to, and potentially conflicting with, the US's "interests".

To illustrate, consider how the US might be placed if Australia were invaded by militias (non-governmental armed forces such as those active in East Timor during the '80s ). The Indonesian government would argue, as they did in the ET civil war, that they "have no control" over the militias. The Australians would be looking to the US for assistance under the ANZUS bilateral defence treaty. The Aussies would argue direct parallel with the US's demand for assistance (under the same agreement) against Iraq (Iraq 2). The dilemma faced by the US would then be to maintain faith with Australia, and the prospect of invading or attacking Indonesia, a nation that holds MFN status and powerful trading and economic ties with the US.

The simple answer, the solution I hear your quotes directing toward, is to turn your nation's back on both antagonists telling them "...your problem...sort it...". But you then have to ask just what "value" any agreement with the US would have. It would not take too many instances before nations that might be considering the prospect of a defence or trading agreement with the US would turn away and look elsewhere. The reverse would be true also. If the US wanted to negotiate an agreement with another nation, the response would always be coloured by the prospect of "when it suits the US, this agreement will be worthless."

In short, the word of the US would very soon become of small value.

There is an example of this that is very close to home for me - the trading relationship between NZ and the US.

For reasons of its own, the US has expressed very firm conditions that NZ will have to meet to "justify" membership of a free trading arrangement with the US. One of the most prominent (if Zoellick is not lying) is our anti-nuclear legislation. Reading between the lines, it is apparent that one of the short-term "conditions" to be met will be re-activation of the ANZUS Treaty, along with all of the obligations that would create for this country. When you place alongside of those "obligations", the history of US policies protecting internal industries in direct contravention of both formal trading agreements and international law, the relationship begins to look very one sided. The weight of the advantage certainly does not lie with NZ either.

For that reason, NZ is quietly talking to other prospective trading nations including China and the South East Asian nations. Those negotiations might take years to come to fruition. I would say myself that this is one instance where "there is a good chance the devil you do not know is better than the one that you do."

Many of the people I have placed this argument before have stopped at that point and said "Good luck!!!".

For myself, it is a case of prudence, moderation and honesty. What is the most important of those?

No contest...

Al said...

Sorry, man, I had a lot of things to deal with. Fun things, but a lot.

You're asking me, a near anarchist, how governments can get along together. They get along like unsupervised school children and I don't believe that forming a union of school children will make a principal (or head-master). But, if we're not asking for perfection, school children actually aren't killing each other much.

The only form of magic for governments is "subsidiarity": decisions need to be made as close to the individual level as possible. When government gets too big it ossifies into a shell that will soon have to be molted.

All we have are principles to practice and preach. I'm pretty fond of the Zero Aggression Principle. When it's transgressed, retaliatory action is permitted.

Green Peace was right, the French were wrong, NZ and France were both allies of ours. East Timor is a good model for peacekeeping action.

Sorry, gotta go.

Anonymous said...

There are some simple things to remember about the United States:
1) The politicians say and do things that are intended to make the general populous feel that they are being properly represented.

2) The general populous has little idea of what happens outside of their own neighborhood. Many do not understand that food comes from farms. They don't know that factories are a good thing. They want the products but they don't want the means of production.

Because of these things, the United States (large enough to be quite a few nations) stumbles around on legs of public oppinion and does some things that are fairly stupid. The only saving grace is that Market Forces are stronger than rhetoric and can usually pull us back toward the correct path, if only in a general sort of way.

LibertyBob